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-Pluto- · Nov 02, 2008, 11:06 AM // 11:06

Was I the only one who was more interested in the linear algebra behind this instead of the computer stuff (and upset that the info page doesn't seem to mention anything about the math)?

The Meth · Nov 02, 2008, 12:52 PM // 12:52

That's because what they are selling is the math behind the software. They would love to tell you how it works, do you have a $100k lying around?

Fril Estelin · Nov 02, 2008, 12:54 PM // 12:54

For those that prefer pretty pictures to big texts:
http://www.umbrasoftware.com/index.p...ds#downloads13
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fU2L7IdYDVc

Numa Pompilius · Nov 02, 2008, 01:01 PM // 13:01

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Originally Posted by -Pluto-

Was I the only one who was more interested in the linear algebra behind this

As Meth says the exact way it's done by Umbra will be a trade secret, but if you google for "occlusion culling" you'll find general information on how it's done.

Also, if you're a mathematician and find problems like this interesting, there is probably a place for you in the games/graphics industry.

RotteN · Nov 02, 2008, 01:03 PM // 13:03

Sounds great, now all they need to do is make it playable on a MAC and i'll be all happy panda...

PS : f*ck Vista, or Windows 7 for that matter

Jecht Scye · Nov 02, 2008, 02:07 PM // 14:07

lol @ Mac fanboys. They always crack me up.

Anything ArenaNet does to make computing graphics more fluid is okay by me. An interesting find indeed.

Takeko Nakano · Nov 02, 2008, 02:30 PM // 14:30

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Originally Posted by Heloniar

ok, as long as the graphics engine is near completion as well as the combat's is on the same phase of completion so it means potentially beta is out by end of next year?

End of next year?! I know that is just speculation, but if that really was the case then I'm giving up Guild Wars - I'm not going to play this game for another year without serious new content!

The Meth · Nov 02, 2008, 02:38 PM // 14:38

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Originally Posted by The Meth

Anet originally planned (and made an announcement) to start beta testing in late 2008, but it was pushed back and Anet said they will start beta testing closer to the GW2's release. I expect the beta to be early-mid 2009, with the game either late 2009 or early 2010.

Quoting myself from a few pages ago.

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Originally Posted by RotteN

Sounds great, now all they need to do is make it playable on a MAC and i'll be all happy panda...

PS : f*ck Vista, or Windows 7 for that matter

Which is closer to going extinct, panda's or mac gamers?

Lonesamurai · Nov 02, 2008, 02:41 PM // 14:41

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Originally Posted by RotteN

Sounds great, now all they need to do is make it playable on a MAC and i'll be all happy panda...

PS : f*ck Vista, or Windows 7 for that matter

Oh, I have a MAC, and Vista runs sweetly on it

and if your a serious gamer, Vista and DX10 is a no brainer at the moment, even for DX9 games

isamu kurosawa · Nov 02, 2008, 03:10 PM // 15:10

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Originally Posted by RotteN

Sounds great, now all they need to do is make it playable on a MAC and i'll be all happy panda...

PS : f*ck Vista, or Windows 7 for that matter

I'd like to see guild wars 2 multi platform in general. linux, mac and even conso,e now. mmo's on consoles never worked in the past but with current gen consoles running more like a pc it could be a great oppertunity.

wetsparks · Nov 02, 2008, 08:25 PM // 20:25

putting MMOs on consoles is like putting RTS games on consoles. They are usually dumbed down and the console crowd has shown with their wallets that they aren't interested.

The Meth · Nov 02, 2008, 08:56 PM // 20:56

Final Fantasy XI is still doing rather well, and it was for PC, PS2 and xbox. On the RTS front I hear C&C 3 did quite well on xbox and had a pretty good control scheme.

RotteN · Nov 02, 2008, 11:38 PM // 23:38

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Originally Posted by Jecht Scye

lol @ Mac fanboys.

So if you prefer OSX you're immediatly a "fanboy" ? Mind you i have 4 windows PCs (2 laptops and 2 desktops) and one of them runs Vista and honestly, it's the most annoying OS i've ever encountered.

I just regret you still need windows to play most games (well, bootcamp exists for a reason i guess).

And i'm pretty sure panda's will become extinct faster than mac gamers.

Solas · Nov 03, 2008, 12:08 AM // 00:08

Hey ,quick question can a game run on 2 engines?
saw the unreal engine thread and wondering if they could use both, and if they can only use 1 then we know NCWest have 2 games that may be coming out soon using the unreal engine.

ofcorse i'm tired and may be wrong about the numbers and also by jumping to conclusions.

Bahumhat · Nov 03, 2008, 12:30 AM // 00:30

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Originally Posted by Solas

Hey ,quick question can a game run on 2 engines?

Star Wars:The Force Unleashed ran on 3 engines. Euphoria, DMM, and maybe Havok(I forget easily) and this was published for like all popular gaming platforms.

Lonesamurai · Nov 03, 2008, 12:54 AM // 00:54

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Originally Posted by Bahumhat

Star Wars:The Force Unleashed ran on 3 engines. Euphoria, DMM, and maybe Havok(I forget easily) and this was published for like all popular gaming platforms.

No, they are different parts of the system, not the game engine...

One works with the graphics, one with AI and one with the game engine, but they are bolt on parts to the various bits that they then had to shoehorn to work together

DarkNecrid · Nov 03, 2008, 12:55 AM // 00:55

A game can only run on one game engine, but it can have several subsets of engines dedicated to AI management, physics, etc.

HawkofStorms · Nov 03, 2008, 01:50 AM // 01:50

Havok is a sweet phyisics engine, but due to bandwidth limitations, don't hold your breath for stuff that advanced in an MMO until... like 2020.

Numa Pompilius · Nov 03, 2008, 02:14 AM // 02:14

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Havok is a sweet phyisics engine, but due to bandwidth limitations, don't hold your breath for stuff that advanced in an MMO until... like 2020.

Not sure that using a physics engine like Havok would require all that much extra bandwidth. Effects, just like graphics, are calculated on the client machine - that's why GW today has such a small footprint, using only about 1KB/s bandwidth.
Case-in-point is that there are plenty of online games which use Havok, notably Counterstrike Source.

Another issue is if MMOs, as they're presently designed, really has much use for Havok.

Pwny Ride · Nov 03, 2008, 03:50 AM // 03:50

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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

For those that prefer pretty pictures to big texts:
http://www.umbrasoftware.com/index.p...ds#downloads13
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fU2L7IdYDVc

Well' i'm sold